An End-of-build Retrospective on my Rx7 Evo GT
Compliments of gmonsen @ www.rx7club.com
I am finally making it out to Sevenstock this year and am putting together an overview of my car that I'm probably going to put on a poster and have available as printed handouts. So, I've decided to summarize and share the things I've done to my car over the past 4 years along with the few things remaining in one thread and in an organized way. I am going to talk about why I did the things I did and something about the choices I made. These are my favorite things. Any and all comments and questions welcome. I've divided it up by exterior, interior, chassis and suspension, and motor.
The car is not quite done and I'll post the final changes as updates through till probably the end of February or so, depending on whether I decide to paint it before Deals Gap. Mainly left is some experimentation with the motor and dyno comparisons, a few small cosmetic bits and pieces, like the new emblems, some suspension tuning, and then some performance figures and weight by corner.
There are all kinds of builds and ways of modifying cars based on budget and objectives. I had a very clear idea of what I wanted based on owning another FD for years and a very clear budget. I didn't make lists of parts, but thought for a long time about what I wanted to end up with and wrote down a lot about each aspect of the car and then about how those pieces all fit together. Then I figured out how I wanted to implement each thing, whether the choice was buying a part or making something or modifying something.
Grand Touring with a 20b-powered car
So, my car has a very stock looking interior and exterior, a naturally aspirated 350 whp 20b motor, and a moderately upgraded suspension. It looks stock despite a few external touches that are not even visible in many pictures at all. The interior looks stock, but every part is essentially custom redone leather, metal, and wool with the result being that its very comfortable and luxurious. Its fine on the track, but is the best on the highways and backroads. Imagine a very quiet interior with some quiet background tunes sitting on some serious leather cushions. Grand Touring.
I set out to build a natural evolution of the Rx7 like the evolution of the 911 over time. I wanted the car to evolve into something a bit more exotic, more powerful, more purely rotary, while being more comfortable and having an interior like the best sports cars made. I didnt want it to jump out at people, but instead be something that they honestly mistake for a factory made car that they just never heard of before. This car could have easily been created by Mazda from parts they had readily available and by simply changing the interior material specification, fit and finish.
The car is all about balance. Not too much horsepower, not too stiff spring rates, not too big wheels, not too many cosmetic changes, but an attempt to upgrade each major aspect of the original cars specification and performance to the same level or extent as all the others and where no one aspect of the car overwhelms any other or the chassis. The original car had remarkable balance and so should mine.
Its also about balance in terms of costs. No 20b conversion is an inexpensive undertaking and mine was no exception. So, in each separate area of the car I may not have done whatever the ultimate might have been. Had I done so, it would have doubled the cost and not really been a factory evolution at all, but obviously a very, very special one off show car. I wanted to build a car that Mazda could build today for the same time-value-adjusted-dollars as the cars cost when introduced.
Im not about giving advice, but cant help but emphasize something I just said. In every area of your car, there are aftermarket pieces that cost three or more times the average price for that piece. Take Ianetti seals at, what, $1500 whereas other very good seals are $600 or so. If you try to find and buy the bestÂ piece everywhere, your build is going to cost you a fortune. If you can make it a rule never to buy the most expensive pieces, but to try to buy at the top of the middle, you can control your ultimate costs much better. At the same time, this budget control helps ensure you dont end up with a build where one or two things are great, but there was clearly not enough money left over for some areas and they suffered.
I hope there are some things here that some of you haven't seen...
Ill start with the few exterior modifications Ive done. The exterior of the 3rd generation Rx7 is as near
perfect a design as possible, so I didnt want to change the lines in any way. All my efforts were simply to
see if I could enhance it a bit through small details.
I never have liked the emblems that came with the 3rd generation Rx7, though I have used the Efini emb-
lem for many years. They donâ€™t mean anything and there is no heritage or legacy symbol for Mazda or the
like there are for Jaguars or Ferraris or Porsches. Maybe thatâ€™s why the Mazda emblems are all made out
The Rx7 is very much like the old Datsun/Nissan â€œZâ€Â cars. Everybody knows what a â€œZâ€Â is and everybody
knows what a â€œ7â€Â is and so Iâ€™ve commissioned a new set of emblems that are the same size and shape as
the Efini emblems, but simply have the number â€œ7â€Â inside a rotor shape. These will replace the front hood
and rear hatch emblems and all other identification.
The emblems are going to be made of three layers of metal welded with parts painted or polished and will
be about the same size as the stock Efini emblem. Iâ€™ll update the pictures here with the completed emblems
when they are done.
Here is the final design for the emblem:
Here are the initial drawings I did for it:
This shows the 3 pieces that will make up the emblem:
And here is a version of the emblem out of polished metals:
Knight Sports Sleepy Eye Headlights
Everyone knows that the FD was not blessed with the best nighttime lighting and many upgrade it. I chose one of the best of the traditional JDM kits offered: the Knight Sports
High Intensity Discharge (HID) â€œsleepy eyeâ€Â conversion that provides much better high beams at night and looks a lot better in the up position than the stock â€œfrogâ€Â eyes. The
Knight Sports kit is very well made, installs perfectly, and works as well as factory.
Here they are from the side and above showing the lower sleepy look:
From the front they look more aggressive and the HID's are very bright:
I have always loved the grille on the early FDâ€™s, but you canâ€™t really see it on a black car. I also have always loved the grilles on Maseratiâ€™s and Ferrariâ€™s where they made an
aluminum grille surround. So, I commissioned an aluminum grille surround for my car. I really like the way it outlines and picks out the shape of the grille.
Here are a few of the grille being made:
This takes some olde-fashioned skills in metalshaping:
And of the grille installed. The fit is perfect:
As you can see, its a real piece of jewelry when its polished:
HRE 543R Wheels (17x9 and 17x10)
Generally, the most common types of wheels on FDâ€™s are variations on the 5 spoke designs and the basket-weave designs. I had several sets of 5 spoke wheels in the past and
have basket weaves on other cars. I really spent some time thinking about what I wanted on what was to be a more luxurious iteration of the FD theme and I have always said
the FD lacked those little detail touches or â€œjewelryâ€Â that so many fine cars have always had. The polished aluminum grille and valance were added as just such details and jewelry.
I thought about wheels the same way.
There were only so many manufacturers I really wanted to pick from including Fikse, HRE, and a few others. The wheels had to be made and finished in the best manner possible
and, while other manufacturers have some good-looking wheels, few have the level of design, craftsmanship, and finish I wanted.
I decided I wanted a busier look with more spokes. While the 5-spoke designs look more powerful and sporting, the designs with more spokes provide a lot more detail for an ex-
terior that, while gorgeous, is quite homogeneous. I looked at a number of designs and came down to the Fikse and HRE 10-spoke designs.
Here are the Fikse Aro and Mach V wheels I liked:
And here are the HRE type 543R wheels I finally selected:
I picked the HREâ€™s for several reasons. First, the curved shape of the spokes â€“ from center to lip â€“ is very close to the curve â€“ radius â€“ of the fenders. I believe thereâ€™s a subcon-
scious link between the wheels and fender curves that you sort of subconsciously appreciate. Second, they are finished remarkably well and have the 3-piece design with the highly
polished nuts holding the pieces together.
The HRE's are like a diamond bracelet on my girl:
I think you can see how visually harmonious the spokes are with the fender's curves:
I guess I would comment that I have always liked 17 inch wheels over 18â€™s, because I like having more rubber to cushion the ride and for the section to provide better warning of impending breakaway. I may try some 18-inch wheels someday just to see how they look versus how they ride and whether thereâ€™s any handling issues. (This is obviously one area where I went way overboard and did not follow my own advice about not buying the most expensive thing in a least in this category.)
Nearly everyone who has owned an FD for any time knows that the vinyl and plastic used in the interior are not first rate. The plastic or vinyl or poly-whatever that the doors and
other major interior panels are made of is very cheap looking and feels cheap to the touch as well. Many of us have fixed, strengthened the plastics, or completely redone them.
I did a complete job on my last carâ€™s plastics and knew starting this project that I wanted to completely remake the interior. I was going to remake the plastics, cover all of
the other poly-something-panels in high-quality leather, put in the best quality wool carpeting, and otherwise improve every element a component of the interior.
Leather-covered interior panels
I had a shop I have worked with in the past cover all of the interior panels â€“ doors, dash, rear quarters, console, hatch panel, hatch, and rear hatch sides and rear â€“
in high quality black leather (Spinneybeck Sabrina as used by BMW). The only original panels not covered are the two small access panes on either side of the rear
hatch, I may remake these out of aluminum and cover them in leather someday, but otherwise you cannot add leather or the panels will not fit.
I chose not to add anything like contrasting stitching, because my intent was to keep the design the same as stock, but just upgrade the materials and finish on the
original design. This choice alone makes it very hard for anyone to notice that the interior is anything but stock.
The interior looks stock:
I love this photo taken behind the driver's seat. It all looks completely stock, but, again, it isn't. Everything is black leather (the same leather hides BMW uses), including the bins.
Covering the bin lids gave me the interior detail theme of "ribbing":
And I had them repeat the ribbing pattern from the bins in a few other places, like the subwoofer box in the rear:
The ribbing is also repeated on the driverâ€™s heel pad I had made and sewn to the custom wool carpet. Iâ€™m not sure how it will hold up over time, but its ok till now and is one of the little touches I like about the interior.
Leather ribbed driver's heel pad:
The ribbed pattern was also used on the small console cubbyhole door above the radio. I doubt if everyone who owns an FD knows that this was how they came. Most FDâ€™s by now have had the whole area redone when better stereos were installed and few still have this little push-to-open door.
Ribbed pattern repeated on cubby door:
Hereâ€™s the ribbed pattern on the top of the interior quarter panel where it meets the headliner:
I think the interior panels took about four 50 square foot hides and the seats took 3
hides. So, I may have added 50 pounds to the interior from just the leather. (The
metalizing of the plastics added another 5 pounds or so and the carpeting adding an
as yet unknown amount.) There is an unexpected benefit from adding all this leather
and the much better carpeting. The inside of the car is much quieter than stock and
much quieter than the improvement from just adding sound deadening, which I also
added, as well.
Customized Spirit R Seats
The Spirit R shell seats are a variant of the 90â€™s Recaro competition seats used on
Porsche and Ferrari Cup cars and are very light when not abused by someone like
me. I chose the R's, because they are the only shell style seat that was actually
designed for the FD and fits perfectly centering the driver on the tachometer. (The
inside -- the tunnel side -- of the seats are cut out and shaped very differently than
the outsides of the seats.) I like the fact that they are a tilting, fixed bucket design,
which is very comfortable, yet provides better than stock lateral support.
I also wanted to create a visual effect. I wanted the red leather bolsters and cushions
â€“ the fronts and edges of the seats â€“ to seem very thin and very red and the backs
of the seats to be black, just like the rest of the interior, so the seats would seem to
just be these very thin, very red seats "floating" in the all-black interior. However,
the shell is carbon fiber and the weave is yellow and black and very noticeable. From
a design perspective, its very â€œbusyâ€Â to the eye and thereâ€™s no way I could achieve the
â€œfloating-red-cushionsâ€Â effect I wanted with that carbon fiber on the back of the seats.
So, I covered the backs of the seats in black leather. The overall effect, especially at
night and with the red LED interior dome light on, is just what I wanted.
The original Recaro seats have a very busy yellow and black pattern...
SZo I covered the carbon fiber seat backs in black leather:
This shows the â€œfloatingâ€Â effect of the red fronts in an otherwise black interior:
The Spinneybeck Sabrina black and red leather used on the seats and throughout the interior is the same leather that BMW uses in its
high-end cars. (There is quite a big difference in the quality of leathers: clear hides, tanning and dying being most important. Also, the
price is per square foot and you buy them as hides. The problem is that you can seldom cut the pieces you need from the shape of the
hide and you lose leather and money in the process.)
I wanted the seats to be very, very comfortable and to resemble the original R seat pattern in design. So, I had them redone in leather
and with new cushions made in a pattern that resembles the R pattern. The foam is also upgraded from the usual in that there are
two layers of foam with the outermost being memory foam.
This shows the two layers of foam being shaped and glued up before being covered in perforated leather:
Hereâ€™s an interior photo that shows the new perforated leather seats with more padding for my old bottom. You can't believe how com-
fortable these are, especially since they started as the RZ racing shells. I actually liked the Spirit RZ seats, but wanted something more
comfortable and luxurious while having more lateral support.
The interior looks fairly stock, though the materials give it a richer visual character :
The leather is very nice and these are very comfortable seats: ]
(Continued in next post)
Transforming Interior Plastics
No one likes the plastic in the FD. Its been painted by some, fiber-and-duro-glassed, replaced, sworn at, painted with this or that rubberized coating and still no one likes it. I heard
of a company in Pittsburg that was â€œplatingâ€Â plastics in metal: Paulâ€™s Chrome. I sent them all my plastic â€“ dash, console, armrests, vents -- and had them plate everything. What
they do is shoot silver dust into the plastic, so that it becomes conductive. Then, they can plate it, just like it was a steel bumper.
The console was "metalizedâ€Â in this way (shot with silver dust then copper and nickel plated) and then painted black. The ashtray was plated in copper, nickel, and then chromed.
(May be a bit much.) The short shift gearshift **** is a Voodoo aluminum **** that I had Joe Portas powder coat black with the shift pattern etched and filled in white.
I think the materials add a richness to the otherwise largely stock-looking interior:
This closeup of the ashtray is interesting, because, while you can see that the ashtray is chrome, you don't notice that the entire console is metal as well, but painted black or that
the area surrounding the console is black leather or that the seats are red leather:
Here's the same shift console area showing it just after being plated and painted:
After the copper plating, each piece was nickel plated as well and then painted black:
Even the plastic vanes in the air conditioning and heating vents were plated. I had them taken apart, and actually individually chromed and then reassembled. You don't notice
them very much, but you do notice them when you're driving it. The black plastic vent surrounds themselves are also metal plated and painted black:
Although there's plastic underneath, everything you see and touch is metal plated:
Leather Covered Headliner
Iâ€™ve tried a few different headliner revisions. First, I covered the headliner and visors in black mohair broadcloth. Seemed to absorb a lot of sound echoes and the stereo sounded
great. But it was really too claustrophobic in there, so I decided to redo the headliner and visors in perforated cream white leather. It may not absorb the sound as well, but it
really opens up the small cockpit and makes it seem airy by comparison to any black headliner.
Here is a shot of the visors:
LED lighting inside and out
A lot of people have been converting their lighting to LEDâ€™s recently and I have done some of it as well. I have not yet wanted to add LEDâ€™s to my Knight Sports HID Sleepy Eye headlights,
though I have ordered some LED taillights. Iâ€™ve played with it all a bit and have upgraded LEDâ€™s in the front turn signals (white), interior dome lights (red), and rear license plate lighting
The most interesting thing about it was the effect of the bright red LED dome lighting on the interior at night. I had planned the look of red shell seats sort of floating in an all black interior
and thought that the red LED lighting would make this effect really pop at someone looking at it at night. Well, it does and even better than what I had hoped. What was most surprising,
however, was not the cosmetic effect I had expected, but that the interior was now so bright at night that I can read every marking on my radio with the domes on. Itâ€™s very soothing on
the eyes. Itâ€™s great. Itâ€™s like a fighter cockpit. You could drive with the domes on no problem.
CHASSIS, STEERING, AND BRAKES
My Rx7 Evo GT20b is all about balance; making sure no one element in any area overwhelms the others or
does not fit and work well with all of the others. The brakes shouldn't overwhelm the wheels and tires. The engine
shouldn't overwhelm the chassis or the brakes.
When we talk about upgrading the FD's handling, we have to remember that the stock car was and remains one
of the finest handling, more extreme sports cars. The suspension on the car from the factory used squeeze-cast
A-arms and Rose-Heim joints. Nearly every tester at the time commented on how extreme the handling was.
How light and how stiff to the point of being bone jarring. So, you can upgrade the handling, often notably, but
it was already head-of-the-class to start with...
My biggest issue was deciding on what approach to take on the subframe needed to mount my 20b motor, so
that I didn't lose any of the handling the car came with originally. The problem is that the 20b doesn't clear the steer-
ing rack locating the motor on the existing mounts and there's not a lot of room. If you sit the motor up and in the
same fore-aft location as the 13b, the front end weight increases and the center of gravity moves up. You get worse
handling and often bump steer.
I had watched several people build custom front sub-frames to mount their 20b motors in a way that didnâ€™t affect
the handling or the steering. These custom subframes move the motor down and back a bit so the motor clears
the steering rack. No bump steer, the CG may be lower, and the weight distribution is stock-to-slightly-more-
rearward than stock.
While those are great objectives and they can be met this way, in practice, the sub-frames are difficult to make, ex-
pensive, require changes to the firewall, transmission, and sometimes the driveshaft. I decided to go with an after-
market subframe that doesnâ€™t require any alterations. There may well be some minor disadvantages
to this solution -- especially, perhaps, as regards the center of gravity -- but that is debatable at best.
So, I could have made a custom subframe made that would lower and move back the engine or one that posi-
tions the engine less than an inch higher and doesnâ€™t require moving the engine back into the firewall. I chose the
latter from RxSpecialties in Canada. Theyâ€™ve been supplying these subframes for years, they are extremely
well engineered and made, and have no bump-steer. So, while its possible to debate whether this solution is
optimal, I am fairly certain it results in as good weight balance and center of gravity as most FDâ€™s and was more
of a factory install with no effect on the rest of the car structurally or cosmetically.
(Since I made this decision in 2007, Defined Autoworks in Ohio has come out with a kit that relocates the mounts
and let's you use the stock subframe.)
RxSpecialties sub-frame next to stock subframe:
Subframe mounted on chassis:
Zeal Function XS Coil Over Shocks, plus springs and sway bars
When I first upgraded my old FD, Peter Farrell Stage II had Koni yellow and some progressive rate springs. I later
went to Koni 2812 gas nitrogen race shocks paired with some 600-700 pound springs, harder bushings, M2 toe-links,
and whatever the PFS sway bars were. It rattled my teeth and just rattled. I didnâ€™t want that again and decided to up-
grade to more adjustable shocks that have lower pressure valving to suit the softer springs I preferred.
Zeal (Endless) makes several very nice lines of coil over shocks (as well as great brake products). Since my car is
not intended for more than street and occasional track days, I do not need endless (no pun intended) adjustments,
so I chose the Zeal Function XS series, with 6 way adjustable damping and a valving system that provides a very
smooth ride over a wide variety of speeds. I am using the front-adjustable Racing Beat sway bars and have quite a
few sets of springs.
4.44:1 Ring and Pinion Gear
The stock 4.10:1 ring and pinion is well-suited to the stock motor and trans-mission ratios. Since my 20b NA mo-
tor revs to 9,000+ rpm and makes its best power from 5,000-9,000 rpm, I can really benefit from the higher torque
multiplication of the 4.44:1 ring and pinion, and lose little or no top end speed. (I seldom do 180 even on track days.)
Atomic Rex manual rack
I did the looped line manual steering conversion on my first FD and tasted the â€œfeelâ€Â that manual steering provid-
ed. I never tried the Maval manual conversion. When Atomic Rex came out with their new billet aluminum CNC-
machined manual rack, I bought the first one shipped here. Not only is there great feel, but it is also quicker at
2.4 turns lock-to-lock (versus 2.9). It is also much more precise due to the different rack design and better ma-
chining of the rack and gear, as well as the much more substantial solid aluminum mounting blocks to the sub-
frame. This makes a tremendous change in the way the car feels, the way it turns in; the way it handles
overall. [I am close to buying Atomic Rexâ€™s Electronic Power Assisted Steering (EPAS) kit that provides
assistance at parking speeds, since itâ€™s a bit much on occasion.]
Hereâ€™s the Atomic Rex manual rack next to the stock rack. Talk about hidden Bling!
Here is a picture showing the mounting blocks to affix the rack to the sub-frame.
The stiffer mounting increases feel and precision:
Hereâ€™s the rack installed in the subframe:
New Spirit R Brakes
When I started upgrading, I was still under the sway of Peter Farrell, so I bought his big brake kit, which was a Wilwood kit and a very nice upgrade. Later, I upgraded that to M2's
The stock FD brakes are 11.6 inches (295mm) with 4-piston calipers in front and
11.6 inch rotors with 2-piston calipers in the rear and they were the quickest and shortest stopping brakes around. I think they held the record at the time or were second to Porsche.
You can buy 13 inch (330mm) front rotors and up to 6-piston calipers. I chose Mazda's own later upgrade to the Spirit R 12.37 inch (314mm) front and rear rotors with larger, diff-
erent, but the same number of, pistons. They are not the "best" or most expensive upgrade, but are great for my purposes, and I wanted this to be as much Mazda as possible, given
that its meant to be an evolution. One of the guys at Mazda USA got them for me and I m very grateful.
The new OEM Spirit R brakes, which have 314 x 32mm front rotors with stronger calipers with bigger pistons (~40mm) and the rears, while the same size rotors as stock, have the
rotors differently shaped and dynamically balanced with upgraded calipers as well. I like them, because they are larger and better designed and made, but still OEM Mazda parts. The
Brembo-like red calipers with the silver-white Mazda logo also fit with my color scheme.
The 4 colors I used on the car: black, red, white, and silver...
Carbotech Brake Pads
I chose the new Carbotech AX6 brake pads, which are an intermediate pad focused on autocross and acceptable for street, but not pure or serious race applications. Carbotech pads
are one of the best pads today and are made in America. The Endless (Zeal) pads are competitive, but are priced quite a bit higher for what is likely for me an unnoticeable difference
in useful performance. Stainless steel brake lines and a 929 master cylinder complete the braking system.
First, I'm holding off about a week before starting on the engine section in order to get some good pictures. I'm going to cover why I did what I did. What it was when I started and what is is now. I'll go cover the intake, rotors, porting, headers, and exhaust. Then, I'll post several dyno graphs showing how the power corresponds to the changes made. The dyno testing won't be done for several weeks, so don't hold your breath.
Supernaut... Yes. I have drawn and even modeled several ducktail spoilers over the years and still think its the best looking in many ways. However, I cannot find any design I like better than the stock hatch without any spoiler. Arguably, the best lines on the car out of so many good ones.
Chudsoncoupe... Agree. The lip is part of a perfect curve that extends across the entire tail light group wiuth there being a branching "S" curve outward that defines the turn signals. Its also interesting that the designers seem to have somewhat purposely created a Kamm-effect tail, though the effects are not fully incorporated at the sides. The top 3 inches of tail light goes up and back (actually resembling a ducks tail from this perspective) and the bumper goes back quite some ways.
Dual Bumper-Exit Exhausts
I did decide to go through with my own exhaust treatment, though, perhaps in place of the spoiler. I guess I'll just show the drawings and describe it at least cosmetically. I have wanted a dual exhaust for a long time. That is, I have wanted an exhaust that has a pipe on either side of the back of the car. Not simply 2 pipes or tips coming out under the passenger side. However, until recently, I couldn't figure out how to do it without completely redoing the rear wheel well, gas tank and gas tank filler. I finally did figure out how to do it and here's how its going to look. (Before anyone says how ugly it is, wait until I describe it fully... )
First, here's how it would look basically from directly behind the car. The tail pipes exit on either side of the license plate holder indentation and are at least for now, shaped like a rotor. They could end up being round, if I think the rotor thing is overdone back there, what with the new emblem.
Here's another set of drawings that show how they are made and how it works. The exhaust outlets around the rotor shaped tips are aluminum and will be powder coated gloss black (or might be anodized black). The tips will be polished aluminum, but they won't extend much or at all beyond the black aluminum exhaust outlets... The exhaust tips come out of a 25x6x3 inch aluminum box mounted in the bumper skin in place of the foam and other hardware there. (It will be a structural part of the bumper.)
And, here's a quickly drawn overview of the exhaust system and how the exhaust gets into the aluminum box. There are 2 exhaust pipes and a side laker style pipe. The primary pipe works up to about 4000 rpm, then the secondary opens, and finally over 7500, the laker opens to exit to air under the passenger door. I do not think the secondary pipe will be able to exit from this box. Not big enough, I think. It might, but it will probably just end earlier somewhere after the Borla.
Here's an updated picture of the rear end with the round exhaust tips. Also, the exhaust box will need to be made out of stainless or some such to handle the heat and there will need to be some insulation added around it. Anybody still like the rotor-shaped outlets? I'm going with the round anyway, as much as I love rotors... I still have to overcome my need for symmetry, I suppose, but am thinking the outlets should be the same diameter as the 99 spec round tail lights. Looks like a good size...
UPDATE SIDE VENDER VENT TREATMENT
Not much of an update. Everybody is waiting for parts or pieces of some sort to be made. Several things are close, but as we all know, it takes more time than it should.
Anyway, here are some pictures of the aluminum strakes I designed. This is one of the more controversial little projects I took on and so I want to say again that I try a lot of things and that not al of them make it. I've wasted a fair amount of time that way.
I designed 3 aluminum strakes for each of the two side vents. However, I designed them so that I could see how 2 strakes would look or how 3 strakes would look. I haven't polished them yet or decided whether they look good, but thought I'd put up some (poorly taken coming in out of the snow) pictures. The strakes fit into the vent opening perfectly and are positively mechanically affixed.
I think I like the views with 3 strakes...
2 Views with 3 Aluminum Vent Strakes
3 Views with 2 Aluminum Vent Strakes
I've tried many different treatments of the side vents, because, as you know, I do look for opportunities to add detailing that is suited to the design and doesn't go over the top. Of all the things I've tried, this has been the most difficult and most problematic. I am still not at all sure whether anything relating to the vents can be done that works for me. I'm still not sure on the strakes. I have only seen the pictures I posted and really need to see "the whole thing" before I will know what I think. If I don't like them, I have one or two other designs I've shown before (pasted below again) that I will try. I may end up doing nothing in the end. Or, I may like the strakes yet. I think one of the problems is that the vents are iconic to me. As designed originally, as I said earlier, its such an organic thing even though its mostly we owners that appreciate it fully. (Maybe a chrome mesh in there instead of the black plastic piece that everyone breaks or loses? What about an exact replacement for that piece out of aluminum or stainless which might shone more in there?) Anyway, I am hoping for a few more pictures from the front three quarters in particular. (I won't post those up, though...)
The last things cosmetically are really something here (maybe) and the rear bumper exhaust outlets. I am doing these while we wait for engine pieces to finish the rebuild. If I hadn't changed the intake setup and added Logan's new headers (which he honestly believes add 30 whp), it would be done... So I might as well play with it now, since when the motor's done, its done until after Deal's Gap.
This was the other major design theme I was pursuing. The problem is that you have to modify the vent insert and probably modify the actual fender there just a bit to make it look like the photoshop version below. If I tried this, I would just take out the vent piece entirely and cut away to of the fender behind it and put slat type vents like in the last sketch above that shows the side view.
Here is an overview of the stainless steel plenum or box that shows how it sits in the middle of the aluminum bumper crossmember. The plenum will be welded to the two side pieces that remain of the crossmember after the middle is cut out. The crossmember becomes a heat sink. DEI fabric will cover the inside of the bumper shell and there will be abundant insulation added all round.
This view shows the rounded shape...
Again, nothing is to scale, or exact, but here's how the exhaust pipe gets into the exhaust plenum.
Phil... I agree entirely. However, I have tried a number of things that haven't worked and am thinking of just backing off it for now and come back with fresh eyes. What I have tried to do on every design so far is to have whatever I do fit with the existing vents and opening and the indentations on the door. What I am going to try next is to assume the vent piece is out and that I can cut away fender from the opening back to the door, if necessary. This opens up a lot of possibilities.
I also am getting closer on the motor. Te two things I've been waiting for are a new set of headers from Logan at Defined Autoworks and a new intake plenum and runners that I designed and that I am having made. The headers are quite a bit longer (1.5 feet plus) than my current headers, which should increase top end power by about (Logan's guess) 20 ft lbs. I think my intake plenum and runners will also increase power by a good deal, but I have no way of knowing how much. However, the plenum has more than twice the air volume from stock and the runners are longer and have notable taper to them for velocity. They are also a bit larger than stock in diameter over the length. Finally, they will be welded to the lower intake manifold cut off just after the (really bright) 90 degree turn into the port. The runners themselves are much better as they hit the sawed off LIM than stock as well, since the stock runners have to negotiate other parts attached to the engine.
The headers, plenum and runners should all be done by this coming weekend, so the engine goes back together next week!
Here's an individual runner, showing the taper...
Here you see the flange for the 90mm throttle body.
Here you can see just how much larger the new plenum is compared to the stock 20b plenum. (When you're forcing air in, you don't care too much about flow...
I thought I would post a few more of the intake plenum and runners. They are starting to take shape here. Just 3 more to go tonight!
The pictures below show the rather painful process of making the runners. I didn't realize how many curves there were involved. Again, its the combination of the taper with the 120 degree curve that makes it tough. Here are the last 3 runners before being welded to the plenum.
I'm getting excited. The runners are done. They now need to be ground and welded to the plenum. I should have the finished piece shortly.
Ok... How many pictures of a manifold can somebody post? Well, its basically done. A bit more welding it to the LIM-flange and some grinding and its on its way to KDR tomorrow. Next pictures will be on the car!
To get an idea of how much bigger and how much more air this thing can flow over the stock 20b UIM, here's a photo of the new plenum with the stock 20b manifold behind (inside of) it.
Victor can't take still photos very well...
This shows one of the runners having had the welds ground off, but not polished...
So, here are a few more pictures from this morning. The runners have the welds ground down and he is now welding the runners to the plenum and LIM-flange. You can see the differences -- and similarities -- here between the original stock intake and the new one.
First, my guy welded 5 of the 6 runners to the plenum and is calling it a day. Tomorrow he will finish the last runner and put on the 2 end pieces. I am going to try to get him to emboss the "7" from the emblems he's making for me. He did a "G" on the first ones he showed me (below as well). The ends will be close to a semi circle on each end.
Second, I have the first pictures of the new headers that Logan Carswell (Defined Autoworks) built for me. I'll put those in the next post...
Here are some pictures of the first versions of the end pieces. I haven't seen the new ones.
|New NA 20b Headers from Defined Autoworks|
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Logan has made a new set of headers for me. These are an advance on his last 20b NA headers and is an example of the headers he is now building for testing and sale. These were developed based on extensive testing and iterative redesign, but these are as yet an untested new design. We are going to do some testing on the dyno next week and will be able to show just how much power they add over a very good set of equal length headers I had on the car. I can't wait for the next few weeks dyno testing of both the new headers and the new intake plenum and runners. Logan Carswell and David Barninger (KD Rotary) will do the testing and we're thinking of videoing the sessions.
Here are a few pictures of my old headers, which were very nicely done.
Its hard to figure out which to show first. I didn't have a lot of build pictures, so I think I will just show the headers off by themselves as almost finished. They will be ceramic coated a battleship grey.
Haven't gotten the final pictures of the plenum yet, but have a few that show the plenum being finished. He is still working on the end cap on the plenum, because I got silly and decided to have him emboss a big "7" on the front (end) of the plenum. I probably have a picture of the wooden "7" he's using to emboss the end cap.
Here's the buck he's using to emboss the "7".
And, ere are a few shots of it almost completed, but some grinding and polishing to do.
Here are a few pictures of the front end cap for the plenum. I had Vic put a "7" on the end cap. He should have it all welded up and then do the grinding today.
The plenum and runners are done (minus final polish after testing). The marks from the grinding areas really need some buffing to get the full effect. The dull surface areas are like camouflage paint on a battleship. I know a lot of people are looking at the thread without commenting, but I would really like to hear any comments on the "7" I put on the end cap. Just curious...
Here is a version that has the sides of equal width...
And here is a version that shows the sides of the 7 narrowing a bit...
Josh&FD... The flash IS effecting the way it looks, but it was "soft" because I wasn't entirely sure about doing it at all. (I could have had him use the female mold and it would have been way crisper, but had him use flat rubber for the female and pressed the male into it with a 50 ton press. As I said to KKM, I may try adding a fairly thin and small 7 to the top of the embossed 7.) Right now, my car is badge-ess, so this is its current 7 badge, I suppose.
Josh, Thanks very much for the comment. Although I haven't seen it yet in person, I think it may be too soft. These two pictures may show that its a bit more defined and pronounced than the other pictures show it. My best guess from the pictures is that the 7 comes out about a half inch and the ange looks to be 65-70 degrees. So, I am somewhat hopeful still, but...
The headers were designed using state of the art formula and of course has a burns style collector, as did the old one. The math-derived lengths were then shortened a bit retuning them and running the dyno iteratively. The three header pipes each varies a slight bit from the others in length to accommodate the change in the speed of sound waves as heat increases and the three 20b rotors each have different exhaust port heat. Also, while I don't remember the name of the metal Logan used, it is not a common stainless steel. It has some mineral impregnated in it that in some fashion keeps the heat inside. An advanced header material. These are the second set of headers I've had made and if they do what I think they will do, I will either leave them as is or ceramic coat them and be done (I truly hope).
We haven't considered variable volume plenums, but have thought about variable length runners. We've thought a lot about the fueling issues from low to high rpm and, while our focus on this motor was the broad torque curve and peak power at 9,500 rpm, we are thinking we can balance things out with Paul Yaw's ID1000 injectors in conjunction with the high speeds the primaries should achieve through the taper and length. The biggest issue we had was the 90mm throttle body opening and getting the fueling when it opens to increase in lock step with the sudden gulping. Using one of Yaw's 1000cc injectors per rotor let's us achieve very accurate control over the entire rpm range. We also went from the 10:1 Rx8 rotors to S5 NA 9.6:1 rotors, because we are pretty sure that the physical squish area (or scallop or dish) on the 10:1 rotors is just so shallow, we think there was a physical fueling issue at higher rpm.
Its all down to putting it on the dyno on March 5th and seeing if all this accomplishes what we set out to do or if its back to the drawing boards. I've started writing the section on the engine and only have written about what I wanted it to be and why. What I've been trying to do, as I think you know, is build a motor that makes about 350 whp, has bags of torque everywhere, and makes peak power at 9,500 and goes strong to 10,000 rpm without either peripheral ports or individual throttle bodies. I am pretty sure that no NA rotary motor has done that before. Anyway, I am hopeful the new headers, and the intake will get me there.
I don't know if you've seen the new slide throttles that Logan has made for his car and Chris Walker's, but these are the state of the art and should be equally useful for 20b turbos and in 2 hole form, 12a's and 13b's. We are going to make up a variation on this new design for my car on the next plenum go round.
(I have been tempted to bump that 2008 thread "Predicting the future". While I was off about a year or so, Bernanke's intervention on the short end of the curve was unprecedented and delayed things. Combine that with Obama's masterful handling of the middle east and oil price increase and the related increases in the Treasury curve ensure high inflation. His masterful economic policies manage to increase the costs of doing everything and he scares the hell out of every sane businessman. Volatility thy name is Obama. Little or no GDP growth for the next two to four years. No job growth. Anyway, stagflation, late-ish...)
Some guys were over at SpeedOne (aka KD Rotary) sometime this week and took a few more quick vids of the car on the dyno with the new headers. (Everybody else gets to see it, but I haven't even had time to get over there. And, no. I don't know why the videos look a little green-ish...) Thought I'd just post them up. Nothing to report yet for numbers, since it now only has 21 dyno-miles on it, but I'm going to pick it up Saturday and put 200 miles on it to get the RA seals bedded in more. Its just too slow on the dyno.
We're still finishing up the engine bay and getting the powder coated plenum and runners, throttle body, and air intake back on over the next few days. Then, I finally put a few hundred miles on it and we tune it one last time before Deals Gap. Here's a few pictures showing the simplified wiring harness that really can't be seen and the relocated fuses and relays away from the driver's side fender. The shroud should be on and the coils relocated tomorrow.
Christ... Just trying to get the plenum and runners powder coated and painted was an odyssey. The guy said he could do it in 2 days and it took 14 to actually get it back. Hopefully the engine will be back together in a few days and the engine bay cleanup completed. Here's a couple of pictures of the plenum. I still haven't even seen the car with the motor in and together, though some people have posted some videos. Oh, well. Looks like its still done in time for DGRR.
Well, the Speed1 guys (everybody knows that's KD Rotary, right?) are getting the engine back together and the last of the engine bay clean-up done. Here are a few pictures they sent tonight since getting the plenum back.
First, here are the relocated Bosch coil packs. You can see that the relays and fuses on the driver's side fender have been relocated. Its pretty clean now.
Here's another picture of the coil packs from right above. With the fuses and relays gone, its way much more easy to get at the plugs and coils.
Here you can see the plenum on all the way down into the coils. The alternator cover is going to be replaced with a black or natural finished one (does anyone in the northeast have an extra alternator cover that's black or the natural finish, or even gray that they could send me to try out for color?)
Again here are the plenum and coils.
A few more pictures as it comes along. Should be done tomorrow or so.
Okay... So, I'm done with the engine bay clean-up except for the intake setup. I still haven't decided how to do that. The choice is between a traditional pipe going down to the grille in front or cutting a duct in the hood and bring forced air directly into the throttle body. The piping would be cream colored and I think it will balance the cream on the plenum and runners. Not going to get done by Deals Gap next week. Will do that over the summer along with the exhaust. So, here are a few pictures.
First, I added a Honda S2000 "start button" to give myself a little startup drama...
And, here's a couple of rainy day shots of the strakes on the fender vents...
Here's the engine bay with the temporary intake pipe and filter...
I have an old school Mazda "M" logo horn button (thanks, Rich) on my Nardi wheel. I liked the look so much that I decided to have a shift **** made to match the horn button. The guy (Landon) who is making shift ***** out of plastic or acrylic poly in the vendor classified sections is making it (them) for me. Anyway, here's the horn button and some photos of the new shift ***** before he puts on the "M" logo. I should have the finished ***** this afternoon and will put up some pictures of the finished ***** then. (Landon does beautiful work.)
Here's the horn button...
I changed the intake piping and filter location. Its still temporary, but I think it looks much better. So, this is it till later in the summer. Only thing is that I need to get a black K&N filter wrap.
Then, we rebuilt the engine, but, with me always trying to "improve" things, I decided to go back to the lighter 10:1 Rx8 rotors. We ported it a bit more as well. We got it back together with the new plenum and Logan's exhaust and put 600 miles on it. Then, we started dyno work. Immediately, it became clear that the 10:1 rotors were now a problem. The higher compression rotors interacted with the bigger plenum and created a pulse wave starting at about 6500 rpm that sounded like a pulsed wailing. The rapidly changing air velocity as a result meant you couldn't tune it at all over 6500.
So, I had the choice of rebuilding the motor (again) with the S5 9.6:1 rotors or taking the bigger plenum off and replacing it with the much smaller stock plenum for the time being. I didn't want to rebuild the motor again for no good reason, so I switched to the smaller plenum and, voila, no pulse waves. However, no air volume at high rpm either. The motor runs out of air at 7500 or so, but runs great up to that point. The lighter eshaft and rotors mean the motor revs an awful lot faster and it really runs beautifully from 0-7500.
However, we need to solve the intake problem. Again, I don't want to rebuild the motor and go back to the lower compression rotors. I think I was right initially that they are the better choice. So, we have ordered some 52 mm Jenvey throttle bodies and will be stuffing those in there in October. I really wanted to keep it simple with a big single throttle body and plenum, but this is really the more reasonable choice right now. It means I will get the maximum power possible from the motor without any air flow constriction, though it will be a little noisier. That's ok.
The last thing we are doing is installing the new exhaust. It was supposed to be done before the Carlisi meet, but Barninger has been so busy that it didn't happen. We have all the pieces and it shouldn't take much to get them on, but the programming will be a challenge. The exhaust consists of a reducer from 3-to-2.5 inches off the collector going into a 2.5 inch Y-pipe. The one side will go into a 2.5 inch exhaust straight back into the 2 mufflers. The other side of the Y has a Doug's Headers flat slide electronic cutout that goes into another 2.5 inch pipe that will have a single muffler on it. Both pipes will go back to the tail of the car. The programming issues are mostly the conditions under which the second pipe is closed off. The opening is pretty straightfoward and will happen based on rpm and pressure ahead of the Y-pipe, but not sure when it should close the second pipe once opened. So, there will be a little fiddling to get it right.
That's the update.
Not a thing to report. Been having fun just driving. Waiting for my slot at Speed 1 for my winter work. Exhaust, itb's, and paint. Still thinking about 6 motorcycle itb's vs 3 automotive. Haven't spent enough time on research.
Also designed the exhaust itself to improve torque across the rpm range, but we have no testing numbers. I use 2 pipes instead of 1 and run through the 1st pipe only at low rpm and then both at higher rpm. Faster exhaust gas velocity should add power to an NA motor. Wouldn't do much that way for a turbo motor, but it would be cool to set up an exhaust like this where the 1st pipe was a normal large pipe you would use (say, 3 inch) and then use the cutout direct to air out under the passenger side door. More power and great sound when cutout is open.
We weighed the stainless muffler box, including tips and entry piping, and its 23 pounds. However we need to measure the entire bumper with box against a stock bumper, because we removed a good deal of the frame and other materials inside the bumper. So, we are pretty sure the net gain is less than 23 pounds. The dual exhaust box would work for a turbo car with a single pipe back to the in-bumper box or adding a cutout pipe and letting the owner bypass all resonators and mufflers and essentially run without an exhaust when its appropriate...
As to weakening bumper structure such that the hot muffler box gets jammed into the gas tank and it does a Ford Pinto... Nope. I'll ask Logan to chime in with anything, but the design of the gas tank, steel rear bulkhead, and aluminum bumper -- as Mazda designed it -- makes any contact between the hot stainless box and the gas tank nearly impossible, though there is always an impact potential that would smash through whatever Mazda designed or what we did..
Remember that there is a steel bulkhead running the full width of the car and attached to the extremely beefy rear frame rails. There is about 4 inches of free air in between this steel bulkhead and the gas tank. So, first just considering the impact that would be required for the rear bulkhead to deform and be pushed in contact the gas tank, the impact would have to be really significant. Second, the stainless steel box, which is bolted to the aluminum bumper frame, itself serves as a crush zone. It will do the accordion thing and be flattened up against the rear bulkhead, thus absorbing a lot of the force.
(I would also note that Greddy has been selling front mount IC's for a long time and it virtually eliminates the usefulness of the front bumper. While there's no gas tank to consider, engine bay fires can occur. That has never stopped anyone from doing an FMIC.)
Again, I am not saying there are not issues to be considered, but I think we have thought about most of them in some depth. We are going to do some serious testing of pure heat issues. We are never going to do a rear impact test. So, we'll just have to wait for my first rear end collision.
I'll add a bit more and maybe Logan will chime in. Essentially, our design exactly maintains the backend structure, as Mazda's engineer's designed it with the sole mechanical exception being where the pipe goes into the bumper. The middle of the bumper frame is now very hot, so that, if it ever did break and break through the steel bulkhead at the back of the car, you might well have a problem. However, I think any such rear end collision would be of such a large magnitude that any stock-mounted exhaust would experience nearly the same problem. Any additional comments would be appreciated, since these kinds of things are so important and, even though we are trying to consider everything, we don't want to miss something.
We're making progress on the build. Should have some pictures soon.
Bought a set of the same 18 inch Speedline Corse's that came on my 94 Porsche. Wheel Collision Center painted the centers and polished them. Looking for tires. I've only had 17 inch wheels on the car and want to see what difference 18's make.
And JasonS made up some of his berber ("lux touring") over-mats for me and they're very nice. Nice product if you want mats.
Thanks, Benny... They are Speedline Corse Alessios and mostly found on Porsches. I had a slightly different model on my 965 Turbo. Here are some pictured of the Alessios on 90's Porsches. So, they are sort of a contemporary 90's wheel that kind of reminds me of the Meister S03's.
Here are the missing exhaust photos. The new photobucket still is screwed up a bit.
Here are some more showing the insides of the exhaust box...
And, the back end...
So, the engine bay is starting to come together. I've eliminated so many things over time, but still found a bunch of things I could get rid of or hide or change. Logan made a really nice black-anodized aluminum oil reservoir that fits the spot where the deleted ABS was. We sanded the engine bay a bit and sprayed the primer coat today. Should have the BB color coats on tomorrow and the clear on Sunday. I got a new set of fender liners (usual thanks to Ray Crowe ) to put in when we're done.
I'm spending some time getting **** about the nuts and bolts that hold everything together in the engine bay and on the engine itself.
Tim and David... Good. Any drawbacks?
REVLUC... Thanks, buit you have the car.
Here are a few pictures of the bay with 2 coats color. We filled a few of the holes that won't be used.
We're in the final stages on a bunch of things. The motor build. The new exhaust. Wheels and tires. So, Logan has me occupying myself with some of the last details.
Don't want an air plenum to feed the throttle bodies. Don't need it. But I do need to cover the throttle body air horns (which I'm having re-anodized from blue to matte black) with some kind of filter. These are triple mesh screened filters and that should be fine.
Should look like this, but with the air horns in black.
No plenum... If my goal was horsepower, there would be a turbo in there.
I guess I should add that there are quite a few different kinds of filters out there, including some that are waterproof, and they are definitely helpful in keeping mice out of the intakes. If this doesn't work the way I would like it to, I can always add an air box, but I am trading a bit of power for no plenum and hard pipes.
I shouldn't have been so flip in my reply. There are a lot of filtering options with screens of different sizes and materials so that you can eliminate most particles from getting into the throttle body. I am going to use as little filtering as possible to be sure I am safe.
Plenums need flitering as well, but help make power by being slightly pressurized and therefore being able to feed the throttle body more air especially at high rpm. My car is not dry-sumped and so my rev limit is about 8800 rpm under normal driving conditions with a few bursts to 9,000 or just a bit more. I will probably lose a little power between, say, 7,000 and 8,800 rpm, which I hope to make up through better exhaust gas scavenging. Lenny's car will be dry-sumped and he should be able to run 9,500-10,000 rpm and can use all the air he can get up top and a plenum is the only way to go.
As I have said time and again during this cars life, I am trying to end up with a simple and reliable motor that makes good power and sounds great. Whenever I drive a new car, I am amazed at how bad they sound and how indistinguishable they are one from the other. You used to be able to tell that a Porsche was coming by the way the flat air cooled 6 sounded. Good luck with that today. So, why spend $50,000 on a stereo and only listen to Lawrence Welk playing a senior home? The sound of 3 throttle bodies sucking air is great and I want to hear it.
I've got the new Speedlines and Toyo Proxes R888's on and my off-roading lift kit... The 285 rears look nice. Also, here are a couple of pictures of the third plug bung being machined and inserted.
Here is the only shot I got of the wheels and tires.
And here is a housing being machined for the third plug and with the plug bung inserted.
Here are the finished housings with the 3rd spark plug bung inserted above the trailing plugs at the top of the side and the housings have been machined for much larger cooling passages. There will be 3/8ths inch aluminum hard lines directly plumbed into the holes in the housings flowing coolant to enlarged passages inside the housings.
The drawing below shows the hard coolant lines going into the housings...
And, here is a drawing of the intake and induction side showing the ITB's and runners down to the intake ports and secondary butterflies in the secondary intakes. We got the idea from the way the Vette's LT5 motor has 2 butterflies and runners per cylinder. It will give us much better flow control and along with the 3rd spark plug, we should further improve gas mileage.
Here's the finished short block. Now, we need to get it in and build the intake and add the ITB's, finish wrapping the in-bumper muffler in DCI Extreme XT5000, and hook up the exhaust cutout, and finish the little stuff, like the oil reservoir, and tune. Another Deals Gap down to the wire build. Should be buttoned up by the 5th and putting some miles on it.
Diabolical... No worries singing Logan's praises here. He's an artist and unlike any tuner I've worked with over the years. Most just sell you a 500 whp A-spec, slap WI on, and load the PFC map. I'm fairly knowledgeable and have ideas I want to try and Logan and I communicate well and he comes up with things or I do and he makes them reality. I think the engine will be done shortly and there's then little left for me to do. The transmission redo, some bracing and paint is about all. I think the final engine design and specs are really interesting not just in power, but hopefully in reliability, gas mileage, lower maintenance costs and ease of maintenance.
Some more of Logan's good work.
So, with the motor going in now, here are the specifications on the motor. I want to say, again, that what I am building is meant to be a street car with complete reliability and refinement. I have purposely given up some power to get the overall package I wanted. Refinement, better gas mileage, lower emissions, and great reliability were the main objectives. I do not want a "monster", I want a friendly pet. Like Fritz Flynn and Peter Hahn and others, I think that 350-400 whp is the sweet spot for the chassis and that's what these specs are designed to provide.
3 Rotor 2-Liter Naturally-Aspirated Wankel Motor
Extended Street Port
Scalloped (Net 9.5:1 Compression) Rotors
3 Spark Plugs per Rotor and 9 Coils
Enhanced Cooling System with Enlarged Cooling Passages
Enhanced Oiling System Running at 110 psi Increased Pressure
Dual Setrab Oil Coolers
Clearanced and Balanced Rotating Assembly (Mandeville)
Dual Throttle Butterflies per Rotor
3- 55mm Individual Throttle Bodies with Spun Aluminum Air Horns
304 Stainless Tuned Length Headers
EMS-Controlled Dual Path 304 Stainless Exhaust
Dual Rear Stainless Exhaust and Tips
Custom Intake Manifold
20b Stock Location Engine Mounting
Aluminum Radiator (Koyo)â€¨
Engine Management (Microtech LTX12)
Dakota Digital speedometer and tachometer adapters
Here are some pictures of the motor in the car. Next comes making the intake and adding the ITB's.
Not sure you can see it in these pictures, but the water pump and front cover are wrinkle finish black whereas the rest of the engine that's black is just a matte paint.
Matt and Logan made me promise not to call them this week while they got the car running. Fat chance. Anyway, I'm trying to occupy myself and wondered about adding Redline's shifter and e-brake boots and that Cobb **** to accent the red seats a bit?
And this is a black shifter with red stitching from Redline's site.
Put that into mine?
And add the Delrin Cobb Shift **** instead of the gloss black?
Here are a couple more pictures of the engine. Logan is going to run the motor with the stock intake while he makes the ITB intake. You can see the coolant hard pipes pretty well in these.
Here's my coils mounted up. Shelf brackets not polished yet. The 6 coils on top are Bosch and fire what were the old trailing plugs and the new plugs we added. Down below it is a similar shelf bracket that holds 3 LS2 coils that fire the leading coils.
HERE ARE THE TOP 6 BOSCH COILS FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD FIRINGS...
AND, HERE'S THE LOWER 3 LS2 COILS THAT MOUNT BELOW THE TOP 6...
My new intake flange less the secondary butterflies...
While I hope I have pictures of it, I wanted to point out how the secondary butterflies will be installed and work, so I'm repeating the drawing of the butterflies in the intake flange from earlier in the thread.
The intake runners will be port-matched to the intake flange and the 3 butterflies will be installed on the housing side of the flange. So, under light load, the primary butterflies in the throttle bodies will be opened, but the secondary butterflies to the larger intake ports will be closed. Torque will be improved, response, and gas mileage cruising.
So, the coils -- all 9 of them -- are now mounted and the plugs getting wired. Here's the bottom rack of 6 Bosch coils that are firing the leadings and trailing 1's.
Here -- on the upper shelf -- are the 3 LS2 coils that are firing the trailing 2's.
You can see what a compact 9 coil module Matt designed. Its very accessible and provides short, easy, direct runs to the plugs.
Really nice work.
Here are some shots of the engine with both the coolant and oil hard pipes installed and the coils on. Now, its stating to come together the way I saw it in my head.
I really like how clean the engine with the hard pipes looks. Kind of factory?
On the start up today. We are a couple of weeks behind schedule, but, as I said before, Logan is starting it up with the modified stock 20b intake just to get it running and put some miles on it while he finishes the intake. Designing, installing, and getting the secondary butterflies to work is an effort and will probably take Logan and Matt through the week to get the intake ready to install maybe this coming weekend. Also, while we are going to use the RaceReady cutout, Logan thinks the butterfly will fail due to heat and so we will need to make another butterfly out of Incolnel to be sure the butterfly controlling the secondary exhaust pipe won't warp due to heat. These are all new things for us that haven't been done before -- in the case of the secondary intake butterflies and to a somewhat lesser degree the dual exhaust paths, triple plugs, and coolant and oiling systems. A lot of fairly novel stuff that we are hoping all works together well. My guess is that we get the basic motor running today, that the intake gets done in a week or so and that the full car with the exhaust working right is done the next week. We've got the event on May 20th at VIR where I get to see how it all works, what it dynos after break-in, and how fast it is on the track.
Domani never comes...
Here are a few pictures of the motor as Logan is going to run it in while he builds the intake for the ITB's.
The alternator mounting was really done nicely... Love the tensioner. And, while not every one has been changed out -- yet -- notice the screws and bolts.
I can almost see the motor now done with the ITB's on it... Enough foreplay, already, Logan and Matt. Get those ITB's on there!
Here's a start up video. Motor sounds healthy and everything seems to be working so far. Hopefully we see the intake and ITB's on next week.
I lost a whole lot of pictures when I reorganized my photo bucket albums. So, I'm putting up a few pictures that were lost. There are four things that I like about my car. First, the all leather, metal and wool interior, which you can't see in pictures. Second, the engine. Third, the aluminum grille. Fourth, the dual exhaust. Here are some pictures of the grille and exhaust, since they were lost.
HERE'S THE GRILLE...
AND, HERES THE EXHAUST...
Also, we had issues with the exhaust cutout controlling the second exhaust pipe not handling the heat, so I found one from Race Ready and Logan says it will handle the heat and we installed that and Logan finished the exhaust system, which is probably the most sophisticated exhaust put on an FD. However, we still have to see if it does what its supposed to do on the dyno. We'll find out next week.
Covering the wiring with snakeskin...
Intake runners are being fabbed...
And here is a picture of the quick disconnect couplers I bought...
Whooops. I meant to say, "hopefully" we get the ITB's on in next few days and engine running by weekend in final form. (Although "hopefully" by itself is what I live for on this...)
It won't surprise you that I have thought of exactly that, or, a stainless steel mesh like Bentley uses in its grilles. I haven't done it for a couple of reasons, but still think it would look good. I have drawn both the egg crate and mesh in the grille and I think they look nice. Honestly, I got (get?) so much flack for anything shiny that I haven't raised the idea here. Btw, the intake and ITB's are very close to going to the anodizer.
ogan has finished the intake manifold and just has to add the throttle bodies and we're good to go. Logan says the flow is even better than his manifold on his 3 rotor. There is quite of bit more to the inside of these than is apparent, but he would prefer I don't show the insides for proprietary reasons. He wanted to be sure that, if I posted these, I mentioned a) the welds needed to be thick in order to keep the inside flow as smooth as possible, given the very thin walls and "what's inside". Once smoothed, they will be painted wrinkle finish black. I told Logan, being the horny old bastard I am, that they looked like 3 girls on their knees with bikinis on bending over backwards... You'll see them too.
I included a picture that shows the holes in the intake flange for the ball bearings and butterfly end rods that will control the opening and closing of the secondary throttle butterflies. Its really exciting to see this fairly complicated design finally coming together.
Here are my 3 girls...
Note that the wiring (harness coming across the fuel rail and seen going down the front and rear irons, for example) is all encased in Snakeskin to eliminate any visible wires or wires wrapped in tape of some sort. And speaking of the fuel rail, it now stands out like a sore thumb. We'll polish it.
If you look at the flange where the secondary ports are, you can see the holes for the secondary throttle butterflies inside the openings and at the top of the flange (bottom in the picture) where the rod extends out for the actuators.
Ha. I got censored in England for that... And, yes. We are putting a gold leaf covered aluminum heat shield between the exhaust and the intake runners. Damn. Its necessary, but I wish it wasn't. It will fire Monday or Tuesday. By then he will have replaced the AST by building the function into the front cover and hooked up the oil reservoir where the ABS went. The whole thing, including the entire exhaust will be complete except for the actuation of the a) secondary throttle butterflies and -- I think -- the actuation of the exhaust cutout. When we start it up Monday or Tuesday, that will be handled manually.
The exhaust has been a lot of work, because it is very complex in its entirety, what with the multiple pipes and mufflers, the electric cutout controlling the opening an closing of the second pipe, plus the dual in-bumper exhaust. While this is not going to be a very powerful motor in the scheme of things, it is probably the most sophisticated rotary motor that's been built and certainly the exhaust is as well. (After all this, I have to be able to lay claim to something being special about it... )
Tabbasco... You should have heard Logan laugh when I told him it looked like that! I almost hate to see the welds smoothed and painted, but I will always see my girls there.
I still have to decide on the air horns for the throttle bodies. I have two sets that are the same ID and length, but very different diameter bell mouths. I spoke to Gary at TWM about the project and told him what we had and he sent the second set with the very wide mouths. He thinks they will work better than the narrow mouths with the runners I have. They are very easy to switch out, so we can test both and see what, if any, difference they make.
Here are the air horns we had, which are now anodized a matte black...
And, here are the second set of horns with the wider mouths...
Here are some pictures of the intake setup fairly complete. Some grinding and wrinkle finish on the runners and the actuator for the secondary butterflies. But its looking pretty good. I still need to test the wide and narrow (black) mouth air horns when we dyno, so I won't be choosing for a while.
More foreplay... Here's the finish intake flange. You can clearly see the 3 secondary port butterflies on the inner housing side of the flange. They run in ball bearings and Logan says you can blow on them and they move. Again, these will be opened and closed based on manifold vacuum.
So, the entire intake should be back on tomorrow and I'm hoping we start it up by tomorrow evening. There is very little left, though its several or maybe a few more that need to get done still.
First, here are pictures of the secondary butterflies with the linkages to open and close them. I think this is a work of art. Now, when I think of the normal arrangement, I think why didn't they do this?
Well, the motor is finished. No start-up video, but the motor is finished. Not talking every last detail, but the motor's done. Its what I dreamed of for a long time. Although I like a lot of things about my car, I would be more than happy having a stock base clean FD and having this in it! But with the other stuff I've done I really have the FD I've always wanted. Here are a couple of pictures.
Here it is the way it will be on the street. Really factory.
Didn't see your questions on the last page regarding the secondaries. They are very well-sealed and there should be no leakage. We are controlling it with a carburetor vacuum actuator that runs off manifold pressure.
Also, take another look at the runners themselves. Here they are immediately after being painted, so wrinkling has just begun. But the paint will help you see the design better. Take a look at the area where the bikinis are again and the size of the runner legs...
I'm just going to pop the two final engine pictures back up again.
And I think this may become my sig...
uning? We don't need no stinking tuning. Seriously, it will run pretty well pretty quickly. Logan knows these pretty well and its easier to get these to run at 90% of what's possible pretty quickly when its all you've been doing. While we have the secondary butterflies to stage and the exhaust pipes opening and closing, everything else is essentially the same motor that Logan has been building and built for himself a few years ago. There's a good deal more tuning in turbo setups, because you have another dimension entirely for boost for example. Plus, timing is so much more critical. Anyway, short answer is there's something more than a base map and it won't be hard getting it set for driving and VIR. The trick stuff may or may not take some fiddling.
With the motor itself getting done, I haven't posted anything much on the exhaust itself. Here are a couple of pictures that show the cutout that controls the second pipe. The butterfly is opened and closed by a cable which is actuated by a solenoid. The other pictures show the in bumper muffler box at the end of the two exhaust pipes. You can see how the box mounts to the frame cross rail. Little integrity of the original bumper is lost. I don't have a picture, but the entire box is covered in heat shielding before the cover is put on.
Just some more shots of the engine.
Zoom zoom today for certain, David. And some good pictures of the car actually sitting on that R888 rubber!
A few people have commented on the mesh screens on the ITB air horns and how it would restrict air flow. We'll do a few runs with them on and with them off, so we'll see what if any actual losses there are with these. Any form of colder air is going to present about as much air to the throttle bodies as the screens do. Unless I lose more than 10-15 rwhp I am not going to change it. I really like having a minimalist engine bay. I wanted as simple an engine as I could make it and its hard to imagine anything simpler than what I have. However, if there is a real issue and I really lose a bunch of power with the screens on, I have a plan. I'll put in a NACA scoop on the hood in the valley on the driver's side. about a foot in from the leading edge of the hood when its closed. The duct will open into a plenum affixed to the underside of the hood that directs the air to the 3 air horns. There would be cold air and a slight ram effect. I've drawn all this out, but don't think we'll need it.
And, here's a really dirty picture of the front end with the smoked turn signals and side marker lights. We'll have it cleaned up by the end of the week.
The last finishing touches are in. The AST replacement is in, and the oil pre-mix tank is in where the ABS was, and the heat shielding is in. So, that's it.
These first 2 pictures pretty much show the engine bay as it is going to be.
These next 2 show the AST replacement, including the coolant hard line and the Hargett Quick Disconnect.
Here you can get a pretty good idea of all the replaced nuts and bolts with the Cy-Chrome Allen heads and acorn nuts. They are everywhere.
This last one shows the oil pre-mix reservoir.
Ceylon... I absolutely agree with one of your swaps. Can you guess which? I'll help you. I love the plastic oil cap. I actually think its an odd plastic. It looks and feels a lot like Bakelite, which is a favorite material of mine. So, the cap is a fun essential part of my "factory" look... So?
I noticed, and I'm sure a lot of others have as well, that the higher the standard you have for the main parts, the more you notice the ones you didn't improve as much. The little things are as time and money consuming as the big things. Maybe more so. And the more of them you "fix", the more the remaining ones stand out.
I will say that I had a very clear vision in my head of what the whole engine bay would look like when we got done. I had drawn out a lot of the parts and assemblies, if you will, over a few years and had the original version of the motor in there for several years to look at and think about. The only things that came out a little differently are the oil pre-mix reservoir, the AST replacement, and the heat shield, which I had completely ignored.
Josh... First, thanks for the nice compliments. They always mean a lot but mean even more coming from someone you know and respect. What I really want to see now is whether its what I think it should be. Whether its what I thought in my head when I decided to do all this. I had a lot of stuff I wanted to get in here, like the whole exhaust thing. A monstrously complex exhaust system with actively computer-controlled functions and all you see are the 2 exhaust tips in the bumper. And whether I could make "enough" power with a conservative, non-peripheral ported motor and whether that motor could be as reliable as it theoretically should. Can I get really good gas mileage? Will I worry at all about driving it on a moment's notice?
Second, I'll get some nice K&N filters. Third, I'm good with the red plug wires. My car is 80% black, 10% red, and 7.5% cream and 2.5% polished metal. Seriously. The only "violations" of that are the the "ZEAL" in blue on top of the shock towers and the gold on the heat shield. So, the red plug wires works okay for me.
Car is more or less together. Down to little things like center caps on wheels and valve in OMP. But its running and Logan's driving it. Its being detailed tomorrow and they're going to try to take off the factory mudguards and polish a few bits. The original paint is probably getting a little tired.
Got some good videos. Both inside car and around it. I think Logan may have done some tuning, because it sounds better.
Only videos? Well, skip some of this. Just pictures and babble.
First, with a full tank of gas and my 60 pound bass speaker in the hatch, my car weighs 2900 pounds and 52.7% of the weight is on the back. Take away half a tank of gas at 70 pounds and my speaker enclosure and my weight is 2770 and still more than 50 on the rear even taking all 130 pounds off the rear weight only. Now, I added leather on every vinyl surface and sound deadening, and metal plated the plastic pieces, and I added a rotor and iron. And, I deleted the power steering, ABS, turbos, air bag, intercooler, hard pipes, wastegates, and downpipe. The net result is that my NA 3 rotor weighs the same as or slightly less (if stripped of ABS, air bags, and power steering) than the stock twin-turbo car.
The motor's done. There are a few small changes since the last posts. Mainly some pipes being painted black, the oil reservoir being mounted where the abs was and a few other small things.
The car has may a year's dust on it which will all be fixed in the next day. I still wanted some pictures of the outside of it to start to see what it looks like overall.
And here's Logan pulling away...
Bwarrrrrp... I probably have an earlier era definition in mind if you're wondering about the GT moniker in the title. Without going into origins I think 1950's Maserati A6's, 60's Ferrari Lusso's, 330 GTC's, most Astons till late 70's and today again are all GT's in the classic sense. Ferrari's Maranello stands out among their recent cars. But the earlier Ferrari GT's were much more track oriented than today's on a relative basis. Really nicely done interiors, but very simple. Meanwhile, the bodies were relatively lightweight and they had great engines. So, I'm not talking today's exotics, but I'd still put the 370Z a step down from what I'm talking about. I'm kind of partial to Vettes having had 2 C4's and think the new Vette qualifies as a GT, because they seem to have finally raised the interior to Cadillac levels. And, that's what I was doing here in redoing the interior the way I did to match the motor sort of.
Hey, Prometheus, I haven't seen your name on many posts recently? Good to hear from you and glad you like where it went.
Now, here's the thing. Below is my favorite video for obvious reasons. I just play it over and over again. However, Logan never revs it over 5000 rpm, so, for now, you have to imagine what it sound like at 8800 rpm. Also, the cutout valve for the second exhaust pipe is not hooked up to the ecu and is in the closed position, so, the sound is muffled a bit. Still, I can tell that the exhaust and dual tip muffler box back there really worked to deepen the sound tone. Other guys with 20b's will comment on the issue of mufflers and sound I'm sure. Anyway, here's what is ultimately a tease for me, but is very encouraging.
Rxmfn7... The one thing I can tell you is it seems to be worth the wait! The easy sound of the motor is very reassuring. It seems very comfortable cruising or getting on it. Very loose.
RCCAZ1... Its very hard to express what I am feeling right now. I put a lot of myself into this and had been frankly disappointed with the car and couldn't understand why it wasn't turning out to be what I thought it should be. The idea was a detuned 3 rotor NA race motor that was refined and civilized and yet sounded great when you got on it and made 350-400 rwhp. The idea was that it would be completely reliable, because it was NA and what happens? I get the car done and a bearing seizes necessitating a complete rebuild and almost another year and almost the same money again, minus the cost of the longblock. Now, with this build, I am sure I have what I wanted and thought I could make and Logan deserves a lot of praise for making this happen. He understands these motors unlike anyone else I have run into. Roger Mandeville and Carlos Lopez have been the best known NA 3 rotor motor builders and deserve their reputations. I know both of them to talk to and Roger clearanced and balanced this motor. Carlos has explained a lot of things to me over time and I know Logan has spent a lot of time with both of these guys. Logan is the next generation of really sophisticated multi-rotor builders. Anyway, I love the way it sounds both for the aural pleasure and for how the mechanicals sound. They sound really good. Its a good motor.
Thanks, Matt724... It will go on the dyno Monday morning and we'll see what it makes. I'm trying to document everything. I'm sure the numbers will be satisfactory and somewhere in the broad range I am expecting. I'm pretty sure from having driven Logan's 400+ whp car and my car with its earlier NA motor that the power is going to be all I will need or want. We'll also have it on the track at Virginia International Raceway Monday afternoon doing laps with a variety of other FD's powered by stock twins, single turbo 13b's, a single turbo 20b, a Formula Mazda 13b NA, and a 4 rotor NA. So, we'll get a good idea where the NA 20b fits in terms of handling on a track.
You know, I can just listen to the video of Logan driving the car and get goosebumps, but I realize that many people on here have never heard an NA rotary other than maybe a 787b video. The sound of the motor is so different than the sound of a 13b single turbo or the stock twin turbo powered cars, but its the motor I think the FD was always meant to have. And Logan says it sounds epic...
Logan driving the car with 5000 rpm redline and part throttle...
Its already been a week and I only have two more before I actually get the car back. Finished. I'll get to drive it all summer long! A new experience.
Nothing to report, but I'm trying to get a video to display differently. I had posted links to Logan's first drive in the car, but wanted to post a version that displayed the video picture to appear here. I love the sound and can't wait to hear it with the cutout operating the second exhaust pipe.
Love the sound. Listening to it helps waiting.
Okay... Test run at Mid-Ohio on initial street tune. Motor has a few days heat cycling. Rpm was held to 6500 with one or 2 times hitting 7500 for a few seconds. Actuator for secondary exhaust pipe not working, so some exhaust restriction at higher rpms.
Agree that "crisp" is a good description. For what its worth, this is what I had in my head as what it should sound like years ago when I started. For me, it doesn't get any better. And, windows up, its pretty quiet even at full throttle inside. Very quiet at cruise as you can tell when it comes back in the pits at the end. I can also tell from the in-cabin video sound difference to outside that my sound deadening really works well.
Finally, Logan said that when the car breaks away, all 4 wheels break away at the same time. So, my weight distribution of about 48F/52R and my tires resulted in very neutral handling. The addition of the exhaust in the bumper and the huge subwoofer enclosure (70 pounds) adds weight to the rear. The lighter weight of the basic NA 3 rotor versus OEM stock, having deleted the power steering, and having the lighter billet aluminum Atomic Rex rack, lowers the front end weight from stock. So, pretty good shift of balance toward the rear.
Here are a couple of pictures of the car when I got it back.
I love the exhaust. We haven't had a heat issue with the muffler box inside the bumper, which is fully enclosed in Incolnel, but there was some deforming of the plastic bumper skin where the stainless trim tubes got heat transferred from the tips, because there's less than a quarter inch between the two cylinders in some places. So, we've had to use a 4 inch diameter opening instead of the 3.5 around the tips and I may lengthen the tips themselves an inch or so.
The functional dual pipe exhaust (from collector to bumper) is working exactly as planned. Up to 3500 rpm the exhaust coming out of the collector goes through a 2.5 inch diameter pipe with a muffler in it and at 3500 rpm a butterfly valve opens the second pipe which has no muffler other than the exhaust muffler box in the bumper. When you go below 3500, the second pipe closes.
Thanks, again, for the comment, David. This basically worked out as I'd hoped. (You know, one out of a hundred. )
Jacob... I am rethinking whether the tips should extend a bit. Was trying to downplay them a bit, but might have them stick out an inch. The exhaust setup copies the 360 Modena's exhaust. (I copied the butterflies in the secondary intake ports from my LT5 motor.)
I noted a few things in my thread about the video we did of the car at Mid Ohio that I haven't noted here and just want to add them. The main thing is certainly what a dual purpose motor this is. It is absolutely factory-like in its low speed, idle, and cruising characteristics. When you get on it, the motor is still factory-like, but the secondary butterflies open and you have a different engine note and more power by half. The sounds are very precise, so you sort of hear how well its running.
Its now been heat cycled, broken in on a track, and been driven on public roads for a few hundred miles. No leaks, drips, or drops. Oil temps have run 180-185. Didn't overheat at all in bad Philly traffic. Has started every time on the first crank.
A few more random pictures. Still 2 weeks from finally getting it back. Sometimes it seems like everything that can go wrong does. We were supposed to dyno the car last Saturday and the dyno owner has a motorcycle accident Friday night... Can't get on any dyno till next Tuesday.
I'm enjoying the car. Kyle from Speed1 was over today and took a couple of short videos. Its a bit loud now, but it was too quiet before. Seems I have a Goldilocks dilemma.
(I never do the videos right, but this should work clicking on the video.)
And here's the other one.
The engine bay looks the same, minus the 3 plugs cosmetically. I put some filters over the ITB's.
David... Not sure who he got them from, but those Brit-style intake runners reposition the third ITB further away than it is with my more traditional manifold. Because my back two ITBs are so close, I can't fit those kinds of air cleaners. Also, I would love to hear from Simon how the runners work. I had thought they were pretty much for turbo cars.
And so, here's a few more pictures of my dual exhaust setup.
So, no videos and still no dyno. Logan says I make a little less than Lenny will.
The oil metering pump (from a 1988 TII) leaked oil and it got worse over time to where it would drain maybe half my reservoir in a few days. Thanks to Ray Crowe I got a new one installed and all is well.
Although everything's running nicely otherwise, I'm thinking of going to a more sophisticated EMS. Like others, I went to the Microtech, because of its support for the 20b. Its a simple system and lots of people know it. However, it just doesn't offer so many of the features found on most of the better EMS today and I've always wanted my conversion to run in as "factory-refined" a way as possible. So, I'll probably take a look at the M48 and Adaptronic and whatever to see what to try next.
I have been using a full set of Spirit R brakes all round that I bought new from the factory. I had -- and still have "I think" -- that purist concept and wanted to keep everything Mazda. Last summer I bought a set of Mov'It brakes (6 Piston Fronts on 13 Inch Porsche rotors and 4 piston on the back and I forget how big the rear rotors are) about a year ago and am thinking of at least trying them out. Its kind of going from one end to the other, I suppose.
I have been working on the dual bumper exhaust still trying to get that settled. Figured out a way to keep the outer ring of the trim tubes completely flush with the plastic bumper surface. We're putting a 3/4 inch stainless hose clamp around each exhaust tip holding 3 or 4 small aluminum "L" brackets flush and tight up against the inside surface of the bumper. The plastic bumper skin will be sandwiched tight between these new L-brackets inside and the stainless trim tube rings outside. Thanks, Kyle.
I'll probably think about a little more or different mufflers. Got some time to decide in the Spring. (Naturally, after first getting the car I had told Logan I wanted it louder and when he made it louder I naturally think it may now be TOO loud.)
Still has the original paint and the rear deck still has the various holes from the original R1 spoiler and the whale tail spoiler I had on it for a while plugged with those black rubber things. Looks like I sort of replaced "divits" in the deck... Last issues whenever they are issues.
Spending the winter trying to get the cosmetics back to where they were before an army of friends and mechanics worked on it for a few years. Which is kind of like trying to get me back -- cosmetically or otherwise -- to where I was 25 years ago. Bought a lot more buffing equipment for my bikes and am using it more and more on the FD.
Only another month or so to Spring!
The only EMS I have had a lot of experience with are the original EFI piggyback, the Haltech e6, and , while I have looked at the Microtech maps, I have never played with any of Logan's tunes at all. He is of course very very good. The best on 20b NA motors, imho. I've just wanted to leave everything alone. But I don't think I will be able to be happy with the Microtech. I mean, it works fine. Just not as refined as it would be with a modern Haltech or Motec. I'm not going to get worked up picking one or the other. If you were to choose between the 2 which would you recommend?
Engine bay after some clean up.
Here are the current wheels and brakes and below are the front Mov'it caliper and rotor. They are kind of massive. I wonder if I'll need a balance valve to tune the fronts versus the new bigger 4 piston rears. They're supposed to work together, but we'll see.
These are with the Spirit R's.
And here are the Mov'it caliper and rotor.
I suspect its down to the Motec or Haltech. This car's never going to be a 4 rotor, so... But a 4 rotor in the FF GTM interests me.
Here are a few shots of the exhaust, which is looking a lot better than its first iteration. I have polished the raw stainless tips -- which also now extend out a bit from the trim rings -- a lot. Wish that had been done before welding things up, but I have never gotten anything right the first (or second or) time.
Hereâ€™s a pretty good overall picture of how they look.
Hereâ€™s another view.
And a close-up of the tip.
September is good for me. Also, I used to do a meet in September and maybe we can make this into a combination track day and meet-and-eat?
Here are a bunch more exhaust and rear valance shots.
Yeah. I might look into a trailer and upgrade ye olde pickup. I don't think oil prices are likely to drop further and the world situation suggest prices have underlying volatility.
But, if we do VIR in September, you have to be there.
I've been trying to get the lighting right to show the way the back end looks with the exhaust and the aluminum lower valance. I know a lot of people look at the pictures like eye candy. Same way I do. I really love the way the back end came out. Looks pretty factory to me.
duck91... Here's pictures of the bikes. Love the faux alligator pattern on the Guzzi seat.
So, I'm cleaning up my engine bay for the 800th time. I need to reroute my air con hard lines down. I was taking some pictures and noticed that I still have the black plastic radiator fans. I've got to find some nice aluminum fans to replace those. Maybe anodized or painted black? And I can still straighten out a few wires and hose runs over the next month.
I guess I will hold off or let's say, look more slowly... They do make some very nice stainless fans with stainless shrouds that flow 3650 cfm, but, hey. I can use plastic polish and some rubber cleaner and at least make them look new.
I do have a radiator shroud up top that really hides the fans and radiator pretty well from the front and a bit from the sides. Its shaped to mimic the curve of the front hood closing, so it doesn't cover quite as much as yours..
I have thought about it and its one of the reasons for not going with the three ITB's having the gap between the 1st 2 rotors rather than the three twisted runners that are evenly spaced, if you've seen that. I think one of the Florida guys building a 3 rotor NA has that setup. There is room for a strut bar, but I'll have to make one, because the throttles are located pretty high between the ITB's. I have thought about it a lot over time, but its never been at the top of my list. I will add one along with a tranny brace this spring.
I've also been working on my first year ZR1. I'm still doing basics, like adding the Corsa exhaust, a new ZF 6 speed, swapping interior from red to black and white, new wheels. Next step this year is upping the power a bit and my biggest improvement will be switching to coilovers from leaf springs. The leaf springs create a funny disconnect between the body and the wheels imho. Its been my daily driver (as much as I drive daily these days) and is generally more like a small cadillac than a sports car just going to the store. These are still pretty fast 12 second 175 mph cars stock and get a bunch faster with any mods.
Thank you. The 850 -- at least in 6 speed form -- is an undervalued and under-appreciated car. It is comfortable and fast and I've never had any issues with it. It was said to have electrical issues for example and I've never had any. Everything still works fine after about 80,000 miles. They are essentially worthless on the market, so I have just kept it. I have thought about trading it on a used Aston Vantage and may still do that. But I've had the 850 for almost 15 years and its hard to part with it. I'm running out of space though.
The M3 has become so valuable that I can't DD it. The ZR1 is a reasonable DD in many ways, as I said, but I think the 1st year ZR1's are likely to become the most valuable of the Vettes since the C2's. Like the FD, you can have as much power as you want. You can get the motor upgraded to 450 whp for about $15,000 or so.
I'll take a look at them. It will have to go through the space between the 1st 2 ITB's, I am pretty sure. The key is that most of the bars are offset to the front or rear of the coil over top nut. I ran a string between the 2 coil overs and I can definitely fit one between them as far as the width goes. The way they shows them in ads, they never give you a straight down view of the bar, so I can see whether its centered or not. It kni=ind of looks like a few of the Cusco bars, like the 40 and ALC OS seem to be centered rather than offset, but I can't tell for sure. I'll take a look at the improved racing stuff. Thanks, Lenny.
I've been extremely busy at work, but have had time some nights and weekends to play. Its really nice. I want to explain what's different, but its hard. There's just so much torque everywhere. When you shift from first to second at anything over maybe 6500, it loses traction and the torque really slams you back into the seat. I'm running a 3.90 rear gear, but may go back to a 4.44 for fun.
I took a deep corn Nardi steering wheel and painted the spokes cream to match my wheels, housings, and headliner. I'm using a custom made old school Mazda horn button that matches my interior a bit better.
My friend Kyle from Speed1 was over and took a quick video of the car warming up. I know it sounds a bit like a bridge port, but its just a big street port combined with scalloped rotors giving a big overlap that sounds like a bridgeport. I like the low idle, so it'll stay rumpty-rumpty.
Not much. A 5 minute drive around my roads.
Okay. I'm getting the hang of this.
I've got one of those mounts for the rear strut bar and will try that. I may also try lower it a bit more on my head and maybe moving down a bit in the seat. I've also got a go pro suction mount for outside the car. Have you used that? Any issues with potholes?
Here was the last brief clip from the weekend. The Nardi trim ring fell off going over a bump. It is only held on there by 2 grommets holding 2 allen head bolts. Doesn't work well on the deep corn wheels.
I painted a Nardi Deep Corn the same cream color as my wheels (and headliner). Nardi actually listed the color of the wheel as "white", but it was a very light silver. I'm kind of torn between this and the all black suede-rimmed Nardi. Any comments?
Well, I made a few more videos. Got to say I love the Go Pro. Still had the thing mounted to my head, but it comes out okay.
Video is new to me. Heck, having my FD in my garage and running is new to me. Anyway, I don't know if people enjoy the videos, but I'm going to keep posting them and try to capture more of the sound and feel of the car.
Photos of headliner and visors...